HEAR The New Ferrari 488!!

"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390) 02/05/2015 at 11:38 • Filed to: Ferrari 488

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I have found a YouTube video with the 488 driving about on Ferrari's YouTube channel! Listen to it! I don't think it's bad at all! The video is down below.

C'mon now Porsche, don't disappoint with your turbo 911s!

HammerheadFistpunch > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/05/2015 at 11:46

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Words are not enough (you also need a #)

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > HammerheadFistpunch 02/05/2015 at 11:48

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Why do I need a #? I don't understand.

HammerheadFistpunch > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/05/2015 at 11:49

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Just poking fun of the tagline at the end of the video

BKRM3 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/05/2015 at 11:52

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I think that sounds like absolute balls compared to the 458. Do you really not?

CPT Speedbump > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/05/2015 at 11:57

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I was expecting better...a lot better.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > BKRM3 02/05/2015 at 12:02

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Well we're not getting another 458. If this is what we're getting and nothing else, I'll take it over silence. It's NEVER going to sound like the 458, I don't know why people would even think that would happen.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > CPT Speedbump 02/05/2015 at 12:02

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How much better?

BKRM3 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/05/2015 at 12:12

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Turbos are super good at two things as far as I'm concerned: muffling awesomeness and making heat. I'll buy the old car. I guess I don't have to tell you that, you have old Porsches lol. And I flatly refuse to believe that some phantom "government regulations" are forcing this on the Ferrari fleet. They move a handful of cars a year compared to large manufacturers. This is doing nothing to help emissions. I suspect it's the customer and, if it is, I hate the customer.

TheHondaBro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/05/2015 at 12:17

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Looks like a 458 with a body kit. The sound is alright though.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/05/2015 at 12:18

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So Ferrari wants us to drive like maniacs on a country road in the middle of the night?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > BKRM3 02/05/2015 at 12:21

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It's not so much OUR Govt as much as it is the EU emissions standards nonsense that is causing this change. Either Ferrari and Porsche are just complying the easiest method to cheat the system, ergo taking the laziest route with turbochargers, or they aren't willing to try and develop N/A engines that may well be down on power if emission standards are taken into consideration. We don't have to believe it, but that's the tyrannical route the world is taking, and we're helpless to stop it, the key has been turned and there's no going back. Even if they move so few cars a year, every make is affected by this to some extent.

At the same time, we're living in a power hungry world where the majority of buyers only care and judge cars by their 0-60 times and hp figures(Car and Driver and Motortrend) rather than the driving experience, so what's the easiest way to bump up power and torque that is well known, and will also cheat emissions? TURBOS. This is what we get when horsepower is a measurement of FUN.

That's the world we're living in right now. And that being said, perhaps I just set my expectations low enough that I would be pleased no matter how it sounded, knowing full and well anyone who expected a 458 like sound would be disappointed. I just like to think that it could have been worse.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > TheHondaBro 02/05/2015 at 12:29

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Pretty much.

BKRM3 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/05/2015 at 13:16

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That, unfortunately, is the sad reality. And you know what? The 488 is going to be fast, it's going to be a great handling car. It's the new Ferrari, after all. We've already seen impressive lap times (now, are those a result of more sophisticated nannies or a better torque curve or superior chassis design? ...to be determined...) and it's only a matter of time (seconds, maybe) until we're going to have journalists absolutely drooling all over it because they've either stopped caring about or have already gone hoarse lamenting things like three pedal gearboxes, fake sound, turbo lag and farty rubbish exhaust.

I'm 31 years old. I'm not a cranky old timer, though I feel like one. Every time we get a "new" car an inch or a yard farther away from the philosophical ideal of making a car for no purpose other than to be pleasing to its driver - especially when that car is a Ferrari - I just feel like something has been taken from us, and I don't want to let it go without at least acknowledging it.

I thought Ferrari was our last, best hope. A moment of silence, maybe, would be appropriate.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/05/2015 at 13:53

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It's sounds more like a V8 than a 4 banger like before, I like it. It just needs more turbo noise.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/08/2015 at 23:07

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I'm going to try to stay positive like you and hope that it sounds great

I can't tell from the video how it will sound

Reason is that it's impossible to tell from videos like this. We need to hear it do a tunnel run to know for sure.

In this video the engine note sounds pretty good, but I'm a bit worried by how loud everything else sounds too. With the prior Ferraris you wouldn't hear tire noise as much in a video like this because the exhaust would be drowning it out.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/08/2015 at 23:10

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I'm not hearing much tire noise at all...

Of course this video won't do it justice, but I'm sure come Geneva, everyone will hear it and it'll be just fine.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/08/2015 at 23:11

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Customer obsession with 0-60 times is a great point.

Also one thing that's an issue with both CAFE and the EU standards is that they don't take into account how much a car is actually driven. It's crazy that a Ferrari has to pass the same emission standards as a Camry because the average Ferrari only gets driven 500-2000 miles a year. But the laws are what they are so Ferrari has to worry about them.

Also FIAT is to blame. Lamborghini was able to stay N/A for now because it's part of VAG and VAG bought Ducati to put in the Lambo group to help lower Lambo's fleet average. Ferrari has no motorcycles to help out and it's being spun off from FIAT so it won't benefit from cars like the FIAT 500 lowering the fleet average. It's a huge advantage for Lambo that they are under VAG.

Manuél Ferrari > BKRM3 02/08/2015 at 23:12

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In an ironic twist of fate the only thing that will save loud N/A engines will be electric motors.

I bet in 25 years the only N/A cars will be hybrids.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/08/2015 at 23:15

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sorry i didn't explain well. i didn't mean the tire noise is there the whole time. but if you go to 0:34 the tire noise is pretty loud in relation to the engine noise. but this could be because the video producers amplified the tire noise for dramatic effect.

in general these types of press videos are like movies so you can't glean much from them. we have to wait until its in the wild and people take their own videos to post to youtube to know for sure.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/08/2015 at 23:15

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Good, I can buy a Lambo then(probably won't because cannot afford), but if there's ONE brand that must have a V12, it's them.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/08/2015 at 23:17

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I still can't hear it -_-

Yes these videos are useless, but PR tho.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/08/2015 at 23:20

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We may never be able to afford the Aventador cause it will still be expensive in 10 years

But we WILL be able to eventually buy a used V10 Lambo for super cheap

You can already get a manual first gen Gallardo for under $100K. In 5 years they will fall to $60K

Eventually the second gen Gallardos will be under $100K too

And eventually the Rock You Like A Hurricane will be under $100K too. Just gotta wait...

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/08/2015 at 23:22

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It was some tire squeal from the car getting a little loose

Yeah they are necessary PR

Since this is the first mainstream mid-engine turbo car they are making it will be a learning experience. I bet the car that replaces this one will sound better than this one does

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/08/2015 at 23:24

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I'd much rather a Diablo.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/08/2015 at 23:25

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Still cannot hear it.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/08/2015 at 23:26

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that is actually a good car to buy as an investment

they didn't make a ton of them

the maintenance costs are expensive but it wouldn't be a DD so it might not be too bad

and if you got a lift you could learn to do the maintenance yourself

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/08/2015 at 23:26

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maybe i'm losing my mind :O

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/08/2015 at 23:28

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Okay so I know I'm getting big on the "working on your car" thing, but eventually it does reach a point where it's just gonna be a no from me. Any V10 or higher is a no for me to work on. Especially if it's European.

Also no way in hell would it be a DD in this state.

I need some help figuring out my next car, wanna assist? It's going to be a secret.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/08/2015 at 23:29

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I hear tire squeal?

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/08/2015 at 23:33

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but i bet you can do it!

my dad didn't know ANYTHING about maintaining V12s when he taught himself how to maintain his 612

sure! what is your budget and what traits do you want the car to have?

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/08/2015 at 23:34

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that's what i meant :)

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/08/2015 at 23:49

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I probably could, if I tried really hard. It's just a matter of whether or not I want to.

No definitive budget and this won't be for at least another year and a half or so unless things change. I already have some options lined up, but the highest I'll consider is maybe $30-35k unless the car is something special. Has to be decent maintenance-wise and not murder my wallet, and must be fun daily.

Here's what I've been thinking:

I'd take one of these manual or auto.

This one could be in V6 or GT form with 3.55 gearing and a manual.

With a 997.2, I really don't care if it's manual or PDK, I really like PDK though.

Has to be manual because there is no PDK

Must be manual because no PDK

If I could find one for $40k and under, then yes, but highly unlikely. You know me well enough to have an idea of what I'm after.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/08/2015 at 23:50

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I don't understand how that's bad...

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/08/2015 at 23:55

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omg so many good options here!

you would need to drive the M3 and Mustang GT back to back to compare. in a weird way they are kind of similar. the M3 is more precise. but they are both V8 RWD fun. the E92 M3 is a lot more Mustang-like than previous M3s because it's the first one to have so much power that it wants to step the tail out all the time. i think you would be happy with either. Mustang is obviously cheaper to maintain. M3 has a nicer interior and better to impress ze ladies with. both are good choices.

997.2 is obviously always a solid choice. very reliable car. and fun to drive. PDK would be an asset if you ended up getting a job where you had to commute in traffic.

996 would be good if you want cheap thrills. buy cheap and fix IMS issue and you have cheap water cooled 911.

the last bimmer would be fun. but probably pricey. if you were going to get that bimmer then you'd have just as much fun with an E92 335is, but you'd save a lot of money. the 335is is very tunable. and it comes in both stick and DCT so you can pick either.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/08/2015 at 23:57

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it's not bad

what i meant is that the tire squeal sounded loud in comparison to the engine noise

but that might not mean anything because the squeal may have been amplified for dramatic effect

all in all the turbo V8s sound pretty ok. i wonder how the GT will sound. seems like everything sounds better than the 911 Turbo :P dunno why the 911 Turbo is the quietest of the bunch. even the GTR sounds louder to me

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/09/2015 at 00:02

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In which case, we can eliminate the E92 M3 then. Not to mention the GT is more mod-friendly I bet, even to get it into supercar territory(but not really).

997.2 haven't dropped for crap in value which is the biggest problem. Around here they're still in the 50-60k price for a decent one, which i why the 997.1 is better for me, not to mention I prefer the looks of the .1 to the .2 much better. They can be had in the mid to upper 30s here.

The 996 if I can actually find coupes can be had for around $20-25k and are the 911 bargin right now which is why I'm going back and forth with it and the 997.1, both of which will require some amount of IMS work to some degree. It's easier to do on the 996, but the 997 needs it's engine removed and disassembled to get to it.

If I were to go new though, the M2 would be the one to go with when it comes out. That or a used 981 Cayman or Cayman S would be suite. Speaking of which, those are in the $20s now, but I want 2+2 seating.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/09/2015 at 00:02

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Because the 911 turbo is the grand touringest of the 911s.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/09/2015 at 00:18

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The 997.1 cars might sound better too. The DFI engine is more reliable. But the 997.1 sounds a bit more "mechanical".

I just skimmed this and now I'm scared:

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/long-term-qual…

Everyone is saying that all BMWs fall apart after the warranty is up

I have never had issues with any of my bimmer, and I've had a LOT

But maybe I was just lucky?

Maybe I should trade the M3s for a Macan one day

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/09/2015 at 00:19

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oh yeah, i forgot

the Turbo used to just be bonkers but porsche later decided to make it the comfiest 911

i wish i had bought a 993 Turbo 10 years ago. they are so expensive now. would have been a GREAT investment

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/09/2015 at 00:32

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Okay, so now it's between 997.1, Mustang V6(there's a very good reason for this), and 996.

How many M3s do you have now?

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/09/2015 at 00:44

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Of those 3 my vote has to go to 997.1 because I have to be loyal to the 997 generation of 911s. Ze Porsche Gods would smack me down if I told you not to get a 997.

Also my 911 is the most reliable car I've ever owned. I'm sure a properly maintained 997.1 would be very similar. If you get one then you can keep it for a long time and put a lot of miles on it without getting sick of it. This is smart financially. The more miles you put on a car the less your cost per mile. And the 997 is such a classy looking car too.

Two M3s. I got them both before joining Oppo. The E90 is DCT and the E46 is SMG. I haven't had any issues with the E46 at all yet, but I've only had it since early 2013 and I don't put a lot of miles on it. I have had multiple issues with the E90 but all were covered under warranty. I had the factory warranty and I had purchased an after market one which expires late next year. So I'm thinking I will keep both until at least end of next year. Then if it gets too scary to keep the E90 without warranty I can sell/trade one or both for something else.

Since I will never sell the 997 I'll always have a manual 911 to drive. So maybe the next Porsche will be something totally different. While I would enjoy driving the Macan more than the Cayenne because the Macan is more nimble I Could actually see myself getting a Cayenne one day. There could be situations where it is good to have a big AWD SUV. I want to get back into snowboarding one day. And I want to get married and have kids sooner than later. The Cayenne would fit more gear for road trips than the Macan could. Both seat 5 but the Cayenne has a lot more cargo space.

My Dad has the first gen Cayenne S and he really liked it. Him and his gf put over 100K miles on it. It was super reliable and he survived an accident in it without getting hurt at all. They are good and safe cars. The only thing he really didn't like was Tiptronic. But I bet the current version is a lot better.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/09/2015 at 00:54

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Cayenne is too big, almost truck-like.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/09/2015 at 01:05

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I know...

But dat cargo space

I wouldn't drive it a lot

I would still drive the 997 more than anything else

Because 911 is ultimate DD for me

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/09/2015 at 02:57

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Well that kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/09/2015 at 16:24

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not really. since i have so many cars it's ok for some of them not to be driven a lot. it's all about them being super useful on the days when i really need them.

i also like the Chevy Tahoe. does Ford still have a body on frame competitor to the Tahoe or did they get rid of it?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/14/2015 at 21:34

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RUSTOOOOOOOOO!!!! I SUMMON YOU FORTH!!

I needs help again.. :(

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/14/2015 at 22:10

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I thought you're mad at me though

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/14/2015 at 22:31

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Rusto, I'm not mad at you, but you do seem to be the little brother I wish I had even though you're much older than me and at the same time thinks exactly like I do which is strange and rare at the same time all at once.

This means dammit you can be frustrating but god dammit I wouldn't have it any other way. :)

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/15/2015 at 00:15

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Hahaha maybe through some weird time warp I'm actually K Roll Jr!

I just thought you were mad cause I told you it was my bday the other day and you didn't say happy bday

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/15/2015 at 01:02

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Wat?? I was just baking a cake!! :)

Happy Birthday Jr. :D

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/15/2015 at 03:08

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Ohhh! Why thank you Sr.!!!

Fidoge says thank you too. He's gonna steal a bite when I turn my head

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/18/2015 at 01:17

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So on the topic of car plans, have you seen the price of used gen 2 Cayman PDKs?? They're cheap as all hell! One thing I hadn't considered was since I want whatever car I pick to be year-round DD, which one is best?? And maintenance costs...

Mustang with big motor has weight all up front which isn't good. Any 911 or Cayman will do, and an M3 should fair better than a Mustang.

Also, you know I love 2+2 coupes because of the "what if I need to put someone back there" thought, but I never have more than one passenger in my car ever. What do you think?

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/18/2015 at 01:29

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While having the back seats in the 911 is nice I don't think it's a big enough deal to not get a 2nd gen Cayman if you really love it. How much does a used one with PDK go for now? I haven't seen the prices.

Here are my pros and cons for each car:

Mustang:

+Both V6 and V8 are great value for the power
+Both engines sound good
+Comfortable DD
+Easy to get tail out
+Fast in a straight line
+Handles better than people think it does (especially with some mods)
+Cheap to maintain
-Doesn't have as nice of an interior as an M3 or Porsche
-Very common
-Even though it handles better than people expect it doesn't have the "precise" feeling of a German sports car or sports sedan

M3:

+Nice interior
+V8 one sounds amazing. I6 one sounds OK
+Comfortable DD
+Easy to get tail out
+Fast in a straight line
+Not as common as a Mustang
+4 door version has super usable back seats
+Can handle well on track (especially with some mods)
-Expensive to maintain
-Less reliable than any 2009 and up Porsche
-Not as special as a Porsche cause based on a plebeian 3 Series
-Even though it handles well from a technical perspective and feels more precise than the Mustang it's still nowhere near the scalpel that a Cayman or 911 is

Cayman:

+Nice interior
+Sounds good (sounds downright amazing with iPE exhaust)
+Comfortable DD as far as ride quality goes. Not as good for carrying stuff or people around as an M3 or Mustang though
+Easy to get tail out
+Probably more rare than an M3 and definitely more rare than a Mustang
+Best handling of the group (and of most cars on sale today)
+Probably the best build quality of the group and less likely to need lots of repairs
+Best gas mileage of the group
+It's a Porsche! The chassis is not shared with a 328i
-Expensive to maintain
-No back seats

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/18/2015 at 01:56

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good point. Caymans and Boxsters are rare as hell here even in the summer. Last time I saw one was in November. I see at least 2 911s every other day, but I see a Cayman maybe once a month, never in the winter. I wonder how they would do

The question is though, with a newer Porsche, how expensive is it really, and how much maintenance can be done yourself nowadays to offset the costs?

Doesn't the E9X cars and up not even have dipsticks anymore. I forgot about that and that's a turn off if true. Cayman seems to be best bang for buck here.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/18/2015 at 13:15

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Wow since November! They are super rare there.

I bet the Cayman would do fine in the winter. The 911 probably has the edge cause of all that weight in the back that give the rear wheels more traction. But the traction control on the Cayman is really good so it will do fine as long as you don't push it too hard on snow.

As far as expenses go you have to factor in all costs once the warranty is up. Since recent Porsches are bulletproof all you really have to worry about is maintenance. So even if another car is cheaper to maintain it might not be cheaper to own if it needs lots of repairs once the warranty is up.

You can probably do a lot of maintenance yourself. Basic stuff like fluids and brakes won't be any harder than any other car. And it should be a long time until the engine has to come out for any maintenance.

The E9X doesn't have a dipstick. Do the DFI Porsches have one? I thought my 997 didn't cause the computer measures the oil for me. The only advantage the E9X has over it is that I can measure the M3's oil while moving but the 997 requires me to be stationary. So I have to drive it enough to get oil to temp then park and measure the oil.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 02/18/2015 at 17:15

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997s nor caymans and up don't have dipsticks....That's kind of a damn turn off. Damn lazy people!! Am I supposed to believe sensors are as accurate and reliable in the long term than a dipstick??

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/18/2015 at 18:12

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I dunno!

I see your thread so I will reply there